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Does having SNAP make people not care about food costs?

I'd like anyone in IL to make a deal that gets me full medical and dental for $275 a month :lol: Hell I'd move Walker into my house if he could do that here :giggles:
 
mama22angels said:
Aren't there laws that a house must have running water, proper sewer or septic system ect or it is considered able to be condemned?
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I don't think that in all areas this is true be any means in the cities yes, where there are building codes yes. Far out locations no at least here in Wisconsin there is not. You vcan have a previee (I think that is what it is called) (outhouse). I would not have had to have running water or septic when I built and that was only 20 years ago ummmmm. I live 8 miles from the center of the city obviously we put both in but I would not had to. That was changed for our township I think in 2005 that it is now mandatory, and the Old Hettinga girls all in thier 80's at the time were mad as hell they had to update.
 
Here is an interesting article on an Appalachian community.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ky-people-live-running-water-electricity.html

The man that is in the article with no electricity also said he got govt assistance (to my knowledge you don't get gov't assit. in third world countries). I also noticed a couple of tvs in the background, kids going to prom, ect. I am not saying these people are not poor I'm just saying you can't compare them to say Haiti.

This:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/2290251.../t/haitis-poor-resort-eating-mud-prices-rise/
is poor.
 
Anneburn said:
Here is an interesting article on an Appalachian community.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ky-people-live-running-water-electricity.html

The man that is in the article with no electricity also said he got govt assistance (to my knowledge you don't get gov't assit. in third world countries). I also noticed a couple of tvs in the background, kids going to prom, ect. I am not saying these people are not poor I'm just saying you can't compare them to say Haiti.

This:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/2290251.../t/haitis-poor-resort-eating-mud-prices-rise/
is poor.
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the pictures of the kitchens in utter shambles that is how my BIL family was in the mid 70's not because they coud not afford better they did not want what most would think was better. So this is why I question by whose standards are they poor? A government that lumps everybody into catagories of wealth or individuals that like it that way want it that way?If they want better then by all means yes we need to get them water sewer ect. If they don't leave them be. That is what they were used to and that was the way it was. Hell but you would see Francis (BIL) mother also sitting on the front porch with a big old wad of chew, no ****, shot gun by her side the whole nine yards of what was precieved of mountain people they were. I spent a summer there in 1979 to help my sister and BIL with the new baby.
 
"...and even the price of the edible clay has risen over the past year by almost $1.50. Dirt to make 100 cookies now costs $5, the cookie makers say."

:quiet:
 
andystowing said:
the pictures of the kitchens in utter shambles that is how my BIL family was in the mid 70's not because they coud not afford better they did not want what most would think was better. So this is why I question by whose standards are they poor? A government that lumps everybody into catagories of wealth or individuals that like it that way want it that way?If they want better then by all means yes we need to get them water sewer ect. If they don't leave them be. That is what they were used to and that was the way it was. Hell but you would see Francis (BIL) mother also sitting on the front porch with a big old wad of chew, no ****, shot gun by her side the whole nine yards of what was precieved of mountain people they were. I spent a summer there in 1979 to help my sister and BIL with the new baby.
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Seriously?

Ever see the show hoarders? Or do you think mental illness only occurs to folks with money?
 
I love this and crack up every time I see his face....seemed appropriate to share here:

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icoupon2 said:
I've never once said that everyone who gets assistance needs it. And I don't believe that.

But I also don't believe that everyone who gets it is abusing it. That' been my point. I think there are a lot of people on both sides of that. But I also think that not enough heat gets put on the system that allows abuse, and yet denies those most in need for one ridiculous reason or another.

And it's getting worse. The system gets more and more broken, and yet more and more funds get cut from places that can't afford it and for which the most vulnerable will suffer (like DCFS).

The waste that goes on unchecked is unbelievable and yet they claim there's no money so they have to keep cutting. It's astounding really.
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Page whatever. Reading through right now. Hell, I told y'all I'd bring the **** with me. You just didn't really understand because I was limited to 20 questions. Which... btw... Gives me an idea for this delightful group of all of you.

PS. Payback is a biotch MFers.
 
kouponkris said:
This may not be the popular opinion, but I think that many problems would be solved if only whole foods were given out for government assistance... vegetables, fruits, meat, beans, grains, milk, herbs, spices. Period. If I were on assistance, which I would have qualified for good chunks of my life, I would be grateful just to have food given to me. I don't see why anyone would feel entitled to more, when they are being handed free food when they need it. When I was very poor, I worked 2 jobs, and ate whole foods, because it was cheaper. Also by eliminating the ability to buy junk food, people would be healthier, and that would eliminate a lot of the health care costs as well. 1 in 3 American adults is diabetic or pre-diabetic, and that is a direct result of eating processed food.
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I once asked my dad's GP what percentage of diseases and/or conditions in his patients were lifestyle related? His reply was that 80 % of the diseases and/or conditions could be eradicated or lessened by healthier lifestyle changes (no smoking, no alcohol/drugs, more exercise, and healthier fresh foods.) I was floored by his answer and am still floored by his answer. Think through the ramifications of his answer. Less trips to the doctor/ER (and less $$), less need for medications (and less $$), less days off from work ($$), feeling better than feeling badly (priceless), and what as a community and country could we accomplish. The amount of money spent on these diseases and conditions could be better spent in so many categories of needs. I've read the Blue Zone and except for Loma Linda, CA some people in 3rd world countries are healthier and not only live longer but a healthier life than we in the US. Here's a brief excerpt:

Amazon.com Review
Book Description
With the right lifestyle, experts say, chances are that you may live up to a decade longer. What’s the prescription for success? National Geographic Explorer Dan Buettner has traveled the globe to uncover the best strategies for longevity found in the Blue Zones: places in the world where higher percentages of people enjoy remarkably long, full lives. And in this dynamic book he discloses the recipe, blending this unique lifestyle formula with the latest scientific findings to inspire easy, lasting change that may add years to your life.
You’ll meet a 94-year-old farmer and self-confessed "ladies man" in Costa Rica, a 102-year-old grandmother in Okinawa a 102-year-old Sardinian who hikes at least six miles a day, and others. By observing their lifestyles, Buettner's team has identified critical everyday choices.

I would interested in knowing approximately how much it would cost a family of 6 to buy food for a month? I still can't believe the guy from Lake Bluff, IL runs out of food and food stamps and visits the food pantry. And he commented he hadn't had lobster tail in a long time! If my instincts are accurate not only could his family eat fresh healthy foods but they could stock up the cupboards like some of us do.
 
Every family is so different on food expenditures.

Some people love meat and eat it no matter the cost and may "stock up" at $3/lb grass fed organic, while others are fine with whatever is at dominicks price, while others wait for Dominicks clearance price combined with JFU price etc.

Some kids love cereal for breakfast and drink a lot of milk, while others may only serve eggos or oatmeal or biscuits and bacon, water and others drink tons of juice or juice boxes.

Same goes with produce, etc. etc.

For my family of 6 we spend I think around $3-400/month right now. I"m not really tracking anymore. Two full-size men, 2 elementary, 1 preschooler plus me. We eat a lot of fresh produce but I'm picky about price and won't buy stuff that is "expensive."

Like I said before, when we were approved for SNAP 2 years ago, the amount was set at $792/month.
 
I grew up in a house without electricity and water until 14.

We lived in the quarter provided by the plantation (my mom worked for the plantation). The plantation owner would have a guy pumping the water from the river and distributed it house to house with a water tank. It's not very fun to have yellow buddy water during the dry season when the river became shallower. But my dad is a genius, he had a homemade water filtration system(that everyone in the hood copied) that churned out crystal clear water, but it's still not sanitized, so we boiled the water for drinking.

Some of our neighbors have generators and have B&W TVs, we used a paraffin lamp that runs on kerosene for lighting at night, but dad would turn it off at about 8:30 p.m. Everyone was supposed to go to bed by then anyway because parents got up at 4-5 a.m, and we need to get up at 5 a.m to catch the school bus to go to the middle school which is an hour away(school starts at 7:45 a.m in Malaysia!) Oh, most of the time we didn't get a seat on the bus because we were at the end of the pick-up route. My brother and I survived till high school and went to college, but most of my friends in the neighborhood didn't, it's too physically tiring for most people. (plus, most kids have to help on the farm after school)

Despite all this, I never felt that we were "poor", we were well fed and much loved, it's true we didn't have a lot of cool toys, but we learn to improvise, were very creative and imaginative with our play.
 
My grandparents had a "town" farm (couple of unincorporated acres on the edge of Waukegan). My Poppa built the house in the 50s (he was a carpenter) and there was indoor plumbing but the water table in that area is high because of Lake Mich plus by the time I was aware of it in the 70s, most of the unincorporated areas of Waukegan and Zion had their wells/groundwater contaminated by the factories and the nuke plant. The water from their well was not safe to drink, and it smelled bad! Waukegan still has some of the highest levels of groundwater lead in the nation. There was a study not too many years ago correlating the groundwater lead levels in Wkgn with a high prevalence of learning disabilities, birth defects, etc.

By the late 60s my Poppa had reinstituted the outhouse and he had a raised cistern for rainwater collection. He filtered that in some fashion and that was the drinking water. City water came in in the late 90s and my grandma (Poppa was gone by then) grudgingly "agreed" to go on the water & sewer. I wasn't involved with the details but she did not have a choice whether to go on the city, it was mandatory.

My other Gma lived in Buckley Hills off Sheridan Rd and they always had city water as I remember. Apparently they had no issues, the water did not smell bad and we drank it.

Our house in Beach Park was also unincorporated, but was on a different groundwater spur or something and our water was OK to run through the plumbing, but my dad hounded us not to drink it. We had bottled water from the store, the old glass 5gal jugs to drink.

Lack of potable water is not really all that uncommon. There is an entire river plain in GA, thousands of homes, that has been fouled by nearby industry and those people/families who have lived there for generations now have no potable water available to them.
 
skincarekathy said:
Lack of potable water is not really all that uncommon. There is an entire river plain in GA, thousands of homes, that has been fouled by nearby industry and those people/families who have lived there for generations now have no potable water available to them.
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Had you not specified GA, I would have thought you were talking about sauk village, Illinois. They are having horrible water problems right now.
 
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