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this is SO needed. this dialouge will HELP, imho

I don't know. Like he says there are some things you think that you know you shouldn't say. I wonder how far you can take this. Not demonizing someone who thinks differently.

Saying that everyone should be allowed to say what they feel without other people thinking badly of them just isn't going to happen. If I say I feel that black people shouldn't be allowed to own property (not something I personally feel, just throwing something out there), Juan Williams is saying that people shouldn't think badly of me.

Sorry, freedom of speech is not the same as freedom from consequences of said speech. You are free to say what you like, but don't be upset when you don't like the consequences.
 
i dont see it that way

i see it all as dialouge

if we dont communicate about our differences, whatever they are, we continue to form our opinions in a bubble

i think his conclusion is really the crux of the matter, all speak, but everyone listen better, more intently. listening is the key, not keeping quiet

just mho
 
ellenface said:
i dont see it that way

i see it all as dialouge

if we dont communicate about our differences, whatever they are, we continue to form our opinions in a bubble

i think his conclusion is really the crux of the matter, all speak, but everyone listen better, more intently. listening is the key, not keeping quiet

just mho
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Feel free to say what you want. I will listen, but if someone is going to say things that I find to be repugnant, I am going to call them on it.

There are some things I don't see as dialogue. Anything the KKK has to say is not dialogue, Anything Westboro Baptist has to say is not dialogue.
 
Clars said:
Feel free to say what you want. I will listen, but if someone is going to say things that I find to be repugnant, I am going to call them on it.

There are some things I don't see as dialogue. Anything the KKK has to say is not dialogue, Anything Westboro Baptist has to say is not dialogue.
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for me, that is the point. freedom to say what one feels has to be embraced. you feel repulsed by the KKK? you tell 'em. otherwise, where does the line get drawn?

i think it becomes "dialouge" even when one speaks and one listens. the dialouge, if nothing else, is internal.

but to think, and to only think, and to never express for fear of expression, especially knowing that some might find your mere thoughts offensive ...

we humans are imperfect. our thoughts can be as broken as our word.
 
What is this supposed to help? Truly asking as I can't get it to load. The little hamster running in his wheel to power my PC is getting tired.

I'm guessing this is about "political correctness"? Using both yours and Clars responses as examples, I've got to say that I for one am not going to "listen more intently" to anything the KKK has to say. :9: If they (or anyone) want to be heard, then they can speak respectfully. One can have opinions that may not be favorable, but there is a way to express them and ask questions that do not involve knowingly hurting others. Everyone wants to be heard and perhaps feels at one time or another that no one is listening. If that's the case, then perhaps the way the message is being addressed needs to be examined. Don't blame the listener when they don't want to hear anymore garbage being spewed.

(Again, I can't view the link you've posted, so my response may be "off" as it relates to it.)

For me, it doesn't matter how you were brought up. If you now know better, DO better. It's really that simple.
 
ellenface said:
for me, that is the point. freedom to say what one feels has to be embraced. you feel repulsed by the KKK? you tell 'em. otherwise, where does the line get drawn?

i think it becomes "dialouge" even when one speaks and one listens. the dialouge, if nothing else, is internal.

but to think, and to only think, and to never express for fear of expression, especially knowing that some might find your mere thoughts offensive ...

we humans are imperfect. our thoughts can be as broken as our word.
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There is nothing wrong with telling people how you feel. THis is why Westboro Baptist can protest military funerals, this is why the Klan can hold rallys. Everyone can say what they feel, but there might be consequences. Other people may feel that you are an **** and tell you so.

Juan Williams doesn't like what the consequences were. Nobody said he couldn't state his feelings. He went on the record in an official capacity and his employer didn't want to be associated with his viewpoint. That is called consequences.
 
IHeartSaving$ said:
What is this supposed to help? Truly asking as I can't get it to load. The little hamster running in his wheel to power my PC is getting tired.

I'm guessing this is about "political correctness"? Using both yours and Clars responses as examples, I've got to say that I for one am not going to "listen more intently" to anything the KKK has to say. :9: If they (or anyone) want to be heard, then they can speak respectfully. One can have opinions that may not be favorable, but there is a way to express them and ask questions that do not involve knowingly hurting others. Everyone wants to be heard and perhaps feels at one time or another that no one is listening. If that's the case, then perhaps the way the message is being addressed needs to be examined. Don't blame the listener when they don't want to hear anymore garbage being spewed.

(Again, I can't view the link you've posted, so my response may be "off" as it relates to it.)

For me, it doesn't matter how you were brought up. If you now know better, DO better. It's really that simple.
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Juan Williams feels that we should listen to what people say and not demonize them for their feelings. So by his point, if someone said they feel that hispanic people are all thieves, we should have a dialogue about it and not demonize him for stating his feelings.
 
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