Sweeping

[Debby]

You are a very good mother...Miss S. I think nap is lucky to have such a mother, I hope he realizes that.

And also you are lucky to have such a son as him.

 

[ladyserenity]

awww..thank you. I don't see how I could be any prouder of him than I already am!

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I wander, therefore I roam.
God put me on this earth to accomplish certain things.
I am now so far behind
I will never die!
me !~the coke goddess~!
my son !~the Trumpet God~!

 

[Alyth]

I'm sorry it's taken so long to respond...

I have read all of the point of views about this and I must say I do see everyone's point of views. let me tell you my high school punishment system before I get into my opinion. Students were allowed a five minute grace period untill they were concidered late and punished. If someone was to be punished (same rule applies to not following dress code) the student would have to sit in the head teacher's office for the entire day. The office was in between two classes and was surrounded by windows so it was quite humiliating

. If there was a test on that day, the teacher would bring the test to you to take in the office and lunch was also brought to you. I saw this as both unfair but fair. The humiliating part of sitting in an office where everyone can see you was humiliating but on the other hand, a dress code and the five minute tardy grace period wasn't too hard to follow. The teachers did however show a great understanding if you were sick. A parent would have to call in to explain this so they knew the student was actually sick or had a valid reason.

Because of what I went through, I can understand both sides. It's wrong to be late, but a good reason should not be punishable. If it's nap's first time AND had a good reason there shoudl be at least some understanding handed to him. However, Nap, your being the teacher's pet

only makes the school want to make an example out of you and NOT give you special treatment. Believe me, I should know! I too was the teacher's pet and when times were rough they came down on me and didn't even bother to really understand why I was acting the way I did. I believe the school wasn't trying to be hard on you, Nap, but more set an example for the other students to not be late regardless of who you are. They also want to make sure you don't repeat it. I agree they were too hard on you considering the circumstances and maybe this should be discussed between a teacher and your mother if it happens again. Teachers have a funny way about them when it comes to listening to students as opposed to their parents.

Nap, I certainly hopes it works out for you.

Ladyserenity, I think you are being a great supporting mother. Keep up the good work!

DD, I do agree with your point of view. In general, It is a good rule but it should not have to be that strict to work.

I also hope that the debating doesn't progress further to an argument on whose opinions are right and whose are wrong since everyone has a right to their opinions. It sounds like most of you understand that but it seems some are still getting a little defensive about it. Above all, it's the mother's decision on how to proceed with her own child's future...at least when it comes to subjects like school and the like!

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Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength;
while loving someone deeply gives you courage.
--Lao Tzu

LOVE ME LOVE MY DOGS

 

[Chimpi]

Well you read way into this Lys. They (meaning the campus monitors) have no idea who I am. Why? Because I never get in trouble. Therefor they didn't know that I'm a "teachers pet" (as you call it, but not what I call myself), and a very good student, and whatnot. Heh
I do see what you mean though...

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Dej no avverkar bryr sig, avlöper bort
Justin's Swing Palace

 

[Alyth]

Not really, Nap, you keep saying you are a good student and I'm saying the teachers and other people working at the school will use you as an example thinking that other students will learn from this. Also I was agreeing with you, silly!! But I also see how the punishment is good. It just needs to be fair on both sides. Students will get pissed if it's too unfair. Students will respect a rule if it's a good rule AND executed properly. They are too strict with this rule. This rule can work, but it has to be made fair. For example, if first offense, get a warning, after that get some kind of punishment. If sick with an excuse then get a warning or something, but getting punished because you were two minutes late for class on the first offense is not fair and will only piss students off rather than get then to obey it.

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Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength;
while loving someone deeply gives you courage.
--Lao Tzu

LOVE ME LOVE MY DOGS

 

[Chimpi]

Exactly my point.

And do you REALLY think the other kids care that I got IS? No, because about 30 other kids got swept for that period too. Happens every day, for every hour of the day. Really sucks. Way too strict.

It all comes down to the school board of our school, because I don't know any other school that's doing this. And it sucks...bigtime
*evil eye*

heh

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Dej no avverkar bryr sig, avlöper bort
Justin's Swing Palace

 

[ladyserenity]

oh, we don't even want to get into the school board issue here!
But yes, as I think I said in either my first or second post...it is a BAD rule, we (at least parents) were not informed of it, and it is not equally applied.

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I wander, therefore I roam.
God put me on this earth to accomplish certain things.
I am now so far behind
I will never die!
me !~the coke goddess~!
my son !~the Trumpet God~!

 

[Diesel]

Originally posted by ladyserenity:
But yes, as I think I said in either my first or second post...it is a BAD rule, we (at least parents) were not informed of it, and it is not equally applied.

DISCLAIMER: Pardon me if this seems off base, which might be because it appears to me that the word "if" was either intentionally or accidently left out in the above sentence between "rule," and "we".

I disagree that it is a bad rule. It seems to be that it is a sound rule that is being implemented poorly.
Is it a logical rule at its core? Yes.
Is it a fair rule at its core? Yes.
Is it being implemented in a reasonable manner? Probably not.
Should parents be notified of ANY policy change? Absolutely.
Should all students be treated equally in the enforcement of the rule? Certainly.
Would a logical and fair implementation of this rule benefit the students in the long run? Most likely.

From an earlier post:

Originally posted by ladyserenity:
Did he deserve to miss the class, and therefore the test because he was late? No!

Again, I disagree. If the rule and punishment stated that being late resulted in missing the class, then he did deserve to miss the class.
Since the rule also makes allowances to permit the making up of missed work, then it also has safties in place to make sure that the student isn't penalized too strictly.
Did he deserve to miss class? In my opinion, yes.
Does he deserve an opportunity to make up the exam he missed? Of course.


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"It's always funny until someone gets hurt, and then it's just hilarious."

 

[Chimpi]

Is it unfair? YES
Were any parents notified? NO
Does every single teacher and student hate the rule? YES
Did it screw me bigtime? YES
Does my mom deserve to be treated and talked down upon like you are? NO
Should the word "if" go in there? NOPE
Is that disclaimer a little harsh? YES
Does DD have a problem? YES

You did this every time, and I am sick and tired of it. If you have a problem with something, DO NOT KEEP TALKING DOWN TO PEOPLE AND QUOTING THEM AND SAYING "Oh I'm so much better than you because I can quote you and disagree with everything you say". I may not know you, but GET OFF THE CASE already....jeez dude

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Dej no avverkar bryr sig, avlöper bort
Justin's Swing Palace

 

[meezercat]

Ok, guys... I think this issue has been talked to death and nothing new is being said, so I'm going to close this thread.

If you have a problem with that, please PM me.