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Buy.com Monitor Fiasco - Case Closed

I do agree with you, there...even if it is sometimes fun to place an order on such misprices to see if they go through.

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Does driving a car from Saturn make me an alien?
 
Yeah, if they go through, you got a great deal.
If they don't, nothing ventured, nothing gained. But you don't whine like a baby who had his candy stolen and threaten legal action!


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spidergoolash: "heh, a cup of diesel dan - mwahhha"
me: "heh, a cup of me is like a cup of heaven!"
 
Dan, basically I agree to a point. I don't mind at all being told "Sorry, that's a pricing error", but once they charge your credit card, they enter into a contract to provide the merchandise/service at an agreed upon price. Never mind the fact that with most credit card companies, the customer has to pay interest from the date of the charge if they have a balance from the previous month.

Personally, I think if the company charges you, they should provide the merchandise or service. If they just request authorization, but don't charge until the product is shipped, then the customer/client has no legitimate complaint.

Just my 2¢.

Ski Bum

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Steep & Deep
 
In this case, if they charge you and hold your money for a prolonged period of time, that's wrong.
If they charged you and issued a refund promptly, that's at least understandable.

And I've seen that line on Anandblech hundreds of times about "once they charge you, they enter into a contract with you", but never once have I seen the actual statement that that is a factual statement, or legally true. Not once.
Personally, I doubt the veracity of that statement. Put another way, I wouldn't trust the legal advice of an Ablandtech member to save my ****.


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spidergoolash: "heh, a cup of diesel dan - mwahhha"
me: "heh, a cup of me is like a cup of heaven!"
 
WOW!!! That thing is STILL news? I remember seeing the posts on AGN3D when that price came out.

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Does driving a car from Saturn make me an alien?
 
I joined ABlandTech just after that happened.
Those whiny ****es over there still bring that up to this day whenever a deal goes bad.

Unfortunately, this could set a disturbing precedent for online vendors. Someone finds a misprice on your site and considers it a "hot deal", you get flooded with orders, and suddenly, if you don't make good on the deal, you get sued.
Nevermind the fact that the "deal" will cost you more money than your business has...
I can fully understand being held accountable for your actions, but in the case of a simple mistake where the wrong price is posted unintentionally, it shouldn't possibly cost someone their business.


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spidergoolash: "heh, a cup of diesel dan - mwahhha"
me: "heh, a cup of me is like a cup of heaven!"
 
WTF does what baseball team I like have to do with anything?!? Stick to the point, instead of trying to insult me. It just makes you look like a petty idiot for being challenged and not having the answer.

I never called you a liar. I said (if you would've paid attention) that I've seen that statement (about once they charge you that they enter into a contract) get thrown around so liberally on Anandtech with NOT ONE PERSON ever having taken the time to verify whether that's legally accurate. They just blindly accepted it as factual.

I've seen that statement posted literally hundreds of times on Anandtech, and it just gets sucked up as truth by everyone who reads it, yet no one, to my knowledge, has ever shown a legal document that proves it.

Learn to accept alternative opinions and don't blindly accept what you are presented. And don't be so quick to insult those that disagree with you. I know that takes some growing up on your part, but we have faith in you.


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spidergoolash: "heh, a cup of diesel dan - mwahhha"
me: "heh, a cup of me is like a cup of heaven!"
 
Easy does it, Ski Bum. Here at the Soup, we can have an intelligent debate without name calling being involved. We DO want you to disagree, but the best way to disagree intelligently is to point out something to back your statements up (like Dan said).

If you resort to name calling, defending yourself against an "attack" that you perceive, or any such childish nonsense, you just make yourself look bad.

Consider that when you do have a disagreement. Also...PMs are a great way to resolve any personal squabbles, privately.
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Does driving a car from Saturn make me an alien?
 
liltaz> That's the way it should work. Absolutely.
In this case, what happened was that Buy.com held onto people's charges for a while, and pretty much made them jump through hoops to get a credit, even after it was announced that they couldn't deliver the product at that price.
More than anything, I think that pissed people off, having their money tied up.

In a situation like this, Buy.com should've settled, for the reasons stated above. They pissed off people, and this was the most feasible way to make ammends since the damage was already done.
Obviously, the best way to resolve the situation would've been to issue the credits in a timely fashion, but they didn't.


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spidergoolash: "heh, a cup of diesel dan - mwahhha"
me: "heh, a cup of me is like a cup of heaven!"
 
[quote:]

Never claimed to have been an expert on everything, but since you consider me as such, I'm flattered. Thanks.

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If I may borrow your Lucy hat for a moment, you are exhibiting delusions of grandeur, my friend.

Instead of just telling someone that they are incorrect, I show them with irrefutable proof.
If I am proven to be wrong, I admit so. In my opinion, I have not been so far in this matter.

I never said that you were/are right or wrong. Besides, you've shown me no such proof. You are the one doubting my veracity. I never made any such claim on yourself.


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Dan, you most certainly did by questioning the truthfulness of my statement. I suggest that you look up veracity in the dictionary. Now if you would have said, "I question the accuracy of that statement...", you would have come across as not calling me a liar, but possibly mistaken.

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Petty semantics.
From Websters:
ve·rac·i·ty (v-rs-t)
n., pl. ve·rac·i·ties.
1. Adherence to the truth; truthfulness. See Synonyms at truth.
2. Conformity to fact or truth; accuracy or precision: a report of doubtful veracity.
3. Something that is true.
So, thank you for pointing out that the word I chose was indeed used in the proper context. Your usage is synonymous, so it's completely redundant and doesn't serve any purpose whatsoever, other than to unsuccessfully attempt to confuse the issue.

Again, more name calling. I made no attempt to confuse any issue. See Synonyms at truth. You yourself called this a gray area of contract law.

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Dan, I paid close attention. Your words are still in the thread. You can do your own verification at the Cornell University Law site, Nexus, or any library. I'm not doing your research for you. "NOT ONE PERSON" does include you, my friend, or do you always expect everyone else to hand you everything?

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So, instead of adding something useful to the conversation by providing a link or something that can prove the statement one way or another, you simply pass along the same old line of "it's a law somewhere, I'm pretty sure". FWIW, I HAVE looked through Cornell's library, but have absolutely no intention of wasting my time trying to become versed in contract law to prove a point in an area where the matter is vague to begin with.
It's quite clear that this is a gray area in the legal sense.

You are quite adept at putting words in my mouth.

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So, let me get this straight, you called me a liar, then proceeded to call me a petty idiot, and now you're lecturing me on alternative points of view. Dan, I've got to say that I'm LMAO at you. Are you always so quick to display the very same faults that you diagnose in others from your 5¢ Lucy Psychology Stand?

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Again, I never called you a liar. You read something into my statements that was never there.
I did indeed doubt the accuracy (veracity) of your statement, but you also have not proved that it is indeed factual. Instead, you hid behind the premise that I wanted the explanation handed to me, and disguised the fact that your basis has not been verified.
Instead of having a reasonable and level-headed discussion, you resorted to insults and word manipulation. All you've done is try to cover up the fact that what you said has still not been proven to be legally accurate.
You said it: "Your words are still in the thread". I suggest you go back and look at them again.
Just grow up already. If you can't answer the question, don't waste our time by turning our words around. It just makes you look petty and ignorant.

Calling me a liar MAY not have been your intention, but by your own words, it's synonymous. Now where I live, those are fighting words, and I've shown way more restraint than you have. You proceeded to compound the name-calling with "petty idiot," and you refused to acknowledge that when I called you on it. You tell me to grow up more than once, and yet you get upset when I return some darts your way. Does the phrase, "He can dish it out, but he sure can't take it" mean anything to you?

Dan, you were so quick to jump on me, that during this whole <cough> discussion, that you missed the last line of my original post, and seeing as how you want the information spoon fed to you, I'll paste it here for you in bold face:

Just my 2¢

Feel free to take the ring out of your nose. I'm done leading you around. If you need the last word, it's yours.

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Ski Bum

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Steep & Deep
 
liltaz:

Man Ski Bum chill out. Dan simply reacted to you insulting him. How was he to know that you were joking? there was no or hahaha after it. As far as I could see from first glance, you were simply insulting him and nothing funny involved.

Thanks for the advice liltaz, but it's not needed. I'm not at all angry. I was just leading Dan around by the nose, and calling him on his highly refined ability to mistakenly diagnose his own weaknesses in others. Personally, I find this thread highly amusing, and quite revealing. And it all boils down to Dan conveniently overlooking the last line of my original post to this thread. No, I don't mean my name or my sig either.

You're making yourself out to be a real *******.

Possibly, but why is the same consideration not directed at Dan? I didn't do any namecalling, but I guess that's alright if you're a mod ... <shrugs>

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Now, back on the subject of this topic...I think they're entitled to mistakes. If they've caught it AFTER they've charged you, then give your money back. It's no big deal. It's not like you're losing money. You just didn't get the great deal you wanted.

If you have a previous balance on your credit card, you paid interest from the time your card was charged until the time of the refund, so yes, you did lose money.

Ski Bum
 
Thanks for stating your opinions, but we're looking for something factual here.

Now where I live, those are fighting words, and I've shown way more restraint than you have.
Yes, where you live... which parallel universe would that be, where things are the opposite of the truth? You were the one who use insults to state your case, not me. You are still turning words around and finding meanings where none exist.

Show me where I called you a liar. Please.
Point out the statement. I've made no changes to any of my previous posts, so my words are still there. Show me where it happened.

I said I doubt the veracity (you say accuracy... potato, potato, tomato, tomato, whatever), of the statement you laid out. That means I question if it's factually sound. That does not mean that you are lying. It just *may* mean that you are incorrect. I'll ask you again to stop putting words into my mouth.

If you really want fighting words, I can give you plenty, but again, all you're trying to do is confuse the issue.

And as for showing more restraint, you've GOT to be kidding, right?

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spidergoolash: "heh, a cup of diesel dan - mwahhha"
me: "heh, a cup of me is like a cup of heaven!"
 
First, how are you showing more restraint than DD? hell show me and I'll agree.

As far as me calling you anything, I took that out just minutes after I posted it because I thought twice about it.

I'm a mod and that makes me no different from you. I won't even go into what makes you and me different.

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"No man can be condemed for owning a dog.
As long as he has a dog, he has a friend;
and the poorer he gets, the better friend he has."

- Will Rogers
 
First, how are you showing more restraint than DD? hell show me and I'll agree.

Not once did I resort to name calling. I do admit to sending a few extremely accurate barbs his way, but only after I was called a liar, a petty idiot, and told to grow up more than once. I would do so again, but I'm tired of Dan's old tactics of putting words in my mouth, and then accusing me of the same. I gave Dan the last word, and I will no longer repond to him in this thread as his best argument consists of little more than the PeeWee Herman defense, i.e., "I know you are but what am I"

As far as me calling you anything, I took that out just minutes after I posted it because I thought twice about it.

Well, you didn't get it out before it got quoted. I take no offense at that statement, and I have no problem with you.

I'm a mod and that makes me no different from you. I won't even go into what makes you and me different.

Huh? I never said that we are or are not different. I'm not a mod, nor do I want to be. I guess I don't understand what you mean here, because first you write "that makes us no different," and then you write "won't even go into why we are different." I would presume that we have our similarities and our differences. Unless you really want a LONG drawn out thread, I won't start if you don't.
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I do like the way the mods take it upon themselves to gangpile on a differing point of view.

<still shaking my head in amazement>

Ski Bum
 
Yes, that was very mature...
[/sarcasm]

Note to everyone EXCEPT Ski Bum:
Is it me, or has he still not pointed out when I called him a liar, but still insists that I'm the one putting words in his mouth?

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spidergoolash: "heh, a cup of diesel dan - mwahhha"
me: "heh, a cup of me is like a cup of heaven!"
 
<referee>

I take it we had our "fun"?

Let's agree to disagree, and not continue this "conversation" beyond this point.

Skibum: Taking a poke at someone for being a mod in any way enhances others' arguments, not your own. I do not let mods rule over with an iron fist, nor defend them for every action. If you haven't noticed this by now, that would be unfortunate. Also, you may want to include a "haha" or smiley face now and then for good form. Only people in "real life" can hear the sound of one's sarcasm at times.

Anyways, I won't hold this heated "debate" (to put it nicely) against either of ya. You're two people who are likely to butt heads, just like you'd run into in real life. Let's just move on. mmmkay?</referee>

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Alien - Administrator / Owner
["Everything was true. God was an alien. Oz really is over the
rainbow. ...and Midian is where the monsters live." -Nightbreed]
 
If you do chose to continue this conversation, which I do not recommend, please do so via private means.

...closing thread...

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Alien - Administrator / Owner
["Everything was true. God was an alien. Oz really is over the
rainbow. ...and Midian is where the monsters live." -Nightbreed]
 
I've decided to keep this thread open for the time being, however if I see personal attacks in any form it will be closed...

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Alien - Administrator / Owner
["Everything was true. God was an alien. Oz really is over the
rainbow. ...and Midian is where the monsters live." -Nightbreed]
 
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