Rainfall said:
A few words as a 2nd amendment rights support
PROXY : Get some FACTS, gunowners.org or whatever is NOT FACTS. It's all propaganda. Have you ever thought that Smith and Wesson would "sellout" on the basis that the lawsuits against them would be financially detrimental to the companies health (a la whathappened in the insider)
Rainfall, it's still a sellout. Taurus told the government to go get pregnant.
Rainfall now makes personal attacks, tosses out completely unsubstaniated statistics, offers psychiatric analysis, disses Vettes and Oakleys, and reveals his/her envy:
But People like proxy and 90% of uneducated gunowners just give guns a bad name.
very few gunowners who own several guns are 1) educated 2) stable. Most of these guys are CREEPY as hell. A gun is an extension of their penis, just like their corvettes and their oakley shades.
Rainfall, I'm in awe of your power to make a complete fool and **** of yourself in so few words
I bow to your superior wordsmithing abilities.
Rainfall now tries to convince us that (s)he has a sense of humor:
Oh man, this site is SOOO FRICKIN FUNNY that i had to just discuss a few of the points hahaha.
* Gun rationing: Any gun dealer that carries S&W products can NOT sell you two handguns on the same day... or during the same week!!! (No more than one handgun during a 14-day period.)
Now this one, i can't really see why someone owning more than 1 gun is any less dangerous, but on the other hand i can't see why you'd need more than 1 in a week. I mean is it really that much of a pain heh. But again i'm sort of against this one.
*Gun ownership is a right.*
Rainfall shows his bias towards communism, his/her preference to stealing over hard work, and his/her propensity to outright lie:
"So let's get this straight: a total gun ban in England has neither stopped 3 million illegal guns from getting into criminal hands nor stopped their crime rate from exceeding ours. But somehow gun rationing here is going to keep criminals from getting guns."
Oh man that's great. England has 3 million guns in criminal hands? That's pretty funny. Where'd they come up with that. If you want facts, its clear that every nation that has COMPLETELY OUTLAWED GUNS murder rate has declined. So has the violent crime. Sure people find other ways to kill, but it's not so easy.. ALot of it comes down to the simple criminal mentality. I'm a criminal. I have a gun. I just want your jewelry.. If i break into your house and presume you have a gun because everyone has them, i'll shoot first ask questions later. If i break into a house and presume you don't, because they are scarce, i'll ask questions first, shoot later. Bottom line is because of the social class lines created as long as there are rich people there are poor people. And poor people MUST live, since we don't help them find jobs or what nto they will steal. If i was poor, starving, i'd steal too. It's SURVIVAL. IT'S MAN'S SELFISHNESS. 10% of the peope owns 90% of the wealth. What's to stop that 90% from taking their fair share back?
It's not a fact that every nation that has completely outlawed guns has lower murder rates, for instance:
(cut and paste from another article)
The Soviet Union established gun control in 1929. From 1929 to 1953,
20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated.
Turkey established gun control in 1911. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million
Armenians, without firearms to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938. From 1939 to 1945, 13 million
Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, mentally ill people, and other
"mongrelized peoples", all without firearms to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million
political dissidents, without firearms to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
Mayan Indians, without firearms to defend themselves, were rounded up
and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000
Christians, without firearms to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, 1 million
"educated people", without firearms to defend themselves, were rounded
up and exterminated.
Evidently Rainfall doesn't think it's murder if the government does it.
Rainfall leads us to believe that he's privy to what Clinton cares about?
* Mandatory gun owner registration: A S&W dealer will not be able to sell any of his guns at a gun show unless ALL of the sales at the show -- including private sales -- are run through a registration background check. Why does the Clinton administration want to know who every gun buyer is?
Clinton doesn't care. This is such a farce. I hate clinton as much as the next guy but the last thing he cares about is if you have a gun. You're no threat to toppling the United states. Don't flatter yourselves.
How do you know what Clinton cares about? The only thing that he's really been consistent about is trampling all over the Bill of Rights and looking for his next blow job.
Rainfall tells us that Big Government databases are OK, and the government has a right to know what you own, say, or do:
Mandatory Gun registration? Why not. You have to register at blockbuster to rent a video, you have to register at the DMV to drive a vehicle. What's registering for a gun? big whoop. If you having to sit and wait 5 minutes or whatever(i dont know how long these things take) and it prevents felons from getting legal weapons with no effort at all, well then i think you just need to be a little more patient. I have to wait at the library while they deactivate the alarms on the books, but i understand why, so the bad sector doesn't hurt the rest of us. (by stealing the books, there will be none)
Rainfall, driving is a privelege, a library card is a privelege. Gun ownership is a right. If you want that changed, repeal the 2nd Amendment.
Rainfall still tries to delude the world by comparing apples and oranges:
* Mandatory training requirements: You will not be able to buy a gun from a S&W dealer unless you have put your rights on hold for however long it takes to complete a certified training course. Hopefully, someone you know will never try to buy their first gun to protect themselves from a stalker or abusive spouse. Because now, dealers carrying S&W products cannot sell that person a self-defense gun until that person jumps through the Clinton & Wesson hoops.
Again you have to have a license to drive a car, why not a gun? You know how many complete idiots i know that have guns. They scare the **** out of me. I wish they were required to have training. I do not fear a trained marksman as much as i fear some 21 year old punk who walked into J&W Guns and picked up his first handgun after never using one and walking right out.
Again, and I'll type it real slow for you, O-W-N-I-N-G A G-U-N I-S A R-I-G-H-T, and driving is a privelege.
Now Rainfall offers advice on how to deal with an abusive spouse:
If you have an abusive spouse, a gun is not the answer.. A stalker, well... if you're THAT scared, their are ways of acquiring these things. but again i see the point in someone needing one in a hurry. But there has to be a better way.
Now Rainfall attempts to use the biggest supporter of gun control, and one of the most notorious mass murders of all time to support his theories:
* Mandatory employee training. This would require all employees of dealers and distributors to attend mandatory ATF approved training. Thus, dealers who have had a business for 20 years will now need to send their employees to the federal government for indoctrination.
oh man that's great "indoctrination". What is this stalinist propaganda 101?
In case you don't know, Stalin confiscated guns, and killed over 20 million unarmed people (see above).
* Dealer entrapment. The agreement requires persons under 18 to be accompanied by adults either in gun stores covered by this agreement or in the gun sections of those stores. So the next time Wal-Mart lets those pesky 17-year-olds walk near the gun section of its store, look out! An ATF agent may jump out from behind the camo rack and bust the employees for not carding the juveniles and keeping them out.
This seems silly, but again i wonder if the law reads exactly that, since this page is so full of bull****
* BATF harassment provision. This agreement gives the new Oversight Commission (including its BATF representative) unfettered access into gun dealers' stores -- more so than is currently allowed by federal law. Any time it wants, the BATF can reach its dirty hand into the dealer's records and gain "access to documents necessary to determine compliance."
That is so biasly written you can almost garauntee its bull****. I'm sure the wording is much different. If it's not it seems ludicrous, but again the credibility of this site is about NIL and you citing it as your "evidence" shows your potential credibility.
I think that's about enough. I feel like i am an educated gun owner/supporter that doesn't buy into all the white trash kill em all propaganda.
Funny, you don't write like an educated anything, and you smear Gun Owners of America as a "white trash kill em all" organization. Your personal attacks on Pyro show your credibility as well. Not only that, you refute what he shared with us with NOTHING but your <sarcasm> enlightened commentary</sarcasm>, and absolutely no contradictory information.
Please if you can find some more credibly arguments/sources. but asking gunowners.org is like asking "whitepower.com" their opinion of a new law regarding blacks...
And then you finish with more racial innuendos.
Please, if you really are a gun owner, don't do our side any more favors.
Ski Bum
